Above Church of Satan leader, Anton leVay, displaying the satanic handsign, which many in simple ignorance as to its symbolic significance use at rock concerts. So of course one can use this and not mean anything more than in the rock on, thumbs up sense. Ordinary adults don't however tend to use this gesture in normal life. Below a few examples of others using this, sometimes in very formal, serious situations.
And even with the Queen. It is argued that this is a Texas college symbol that the Bushes' daughter attended. Even if accepting this explanation for the Bushes' rather demented use of this sign in utterly inappropriate circumstances, we are left with someone infantile to the point of brain damage, who even when meeting the British head of state as head of his own state, finds the temptation to flash the sign of his daughter's college irresistible. Bush is of course a member of the very disturbed Skull & Bones occult secret society, whose apparent nature is entirely in tandem with the more obvious explanation, that Bush is using this sign in the manner it is more famously recognised; ie a satanic symbol. "Satan who is the prince of thiss world," being a rather famous old line which should perhaps be taken much more literally than in loose allegorical manner.
And Mrs Clinton.
And Mr Clinton. 
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Interesting. Not a hand gesture one would accidentally make (i just tried it, it takes a bit of effort).
And Bush just keeps on making it. Not particularly surprising once you know he's a member of a blatantly dark society in the first place. Also standing as such people tend to do for the virtues of lust for power, greed, war, torture, etc; what kind of deity might such virtues appeal to? In the traditional good evil dichotomy, it's not exactly a difficult question.
for anyone who has read the New Testament of the Bible will know that much of Jesus teachings was a warning to mankind that Satan/Lucifer would attempt to corrupt society through political and religious leaders, the wolves in sheeps clothing.
I rather like the hand gesture myself. I find it rather festive and Jocund. Like I've got a Stag on the end of my arm, perhaps in the form of a hand puppet.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
Ok, not evil to the evil seer. I'll turn the other cheek, but you get my meaning.
Inocence, Innocence, to where have we banished you!?
The ethical, philosophical, spiritual world & values to which the gesture refers isn't something I'd be particularly fond of.
i think, taken the Satanic connotations of the gesture, with all this "New World Order" shit that people like Bush keep sticking into their speeches, like knowing winks to certain members of the audience, it's hard to see it as other than a bit sinister. Infantile too - it seems a bit weird and pointless. Perhaps next they'll start wearing devil's horns in public.
Well, who knows, except Bush, to what the gesture refers. And if he doesn't know, then he is not really making it, and it's just meaningless. How do you know these pics aren't fakes anyway?
Arent we being a tad superstitious?
No, you're being a tad servile, Jonathon. As you've certainly seen proven here, Bush is a member of a very obviously sinister occult secret cosiety, Skull & Bones, whose nature is exactly in tandem with adherence to an ideology of ego worship/ evil. I think you should read the New Testament & begin to take it a bit seriously, regarding things like the episode of Jesus being tempted all the kingdoms of the world if he bows down to Satan. To me a spirtituality that exists ina sealed box & refuses to connect with life in any depth, is empty. "Because you are neither hot nor cold, I spit you out of my mouth."
jonathon is merely playing the fool, to answer the question you raise, the rest of the readers of this blog know what Bush really means by that gesture
Below from Hoover Institute historian Anthony Sutton's preface to his book America's Secret Establishment, earlier posted on a couple of times:
After 16 books and 25 years in basic research I thought I'd heard it all ... the world was a confused mess, probably beyond understanding and certainly beyond salvation - and there was little I could do about it.
Back in 1968 my Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development was published by the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. In three substantial volumes I detailed how the West had built the Soviet Union. However, the work generated a seemingly insoluble puzzle - why have we done this? Why did we build the Soviet Union, while we also transferred technology to Hitler's Germany? Why does Washington want to conceal these facts? Why have we boosted Soviet military power? And simultaneously boosted our own? In subsequent books, the Wall Street series, I added more questions - but no answers. I had more or less arrived at the conclusion that there was no rational answer that could be proven.
Then a year or so ago I received an eight-inch batch of documents - nothing less than the membership lists of an American secret society. Glancing through the sheets it was more than obvious - this was no ordinary group. The names spelled Power, with a capital P. As I probed each individual a pattern emerged ... and a formerly fuzzy world became crystal clear.
The book you will read here is a combined version of a series reporting on this research. Each volume builds on the previous volume in a logical step-by-step process. These volumes will explain why the West built the Soviets and Hitler; why we go to war, to lose; why Wall Street loves Marxists and Nazis; why the kids can't read; why the Churches have become propaganda founts; why historical facts are suppressed, why politicians lie and a hundred other whys.
This series is infinitely more important than the original Western Technology series on technological
transfers. If I have a magnum opus, this is it.
ANTONY C. SUTTON
Well all I know is Im not intendeing to be servile or to play the fool.
I was only asking about if we were being superstitions, and still haven't got an answer; while you concluded I was being servile and sealed up, without even asking if i was.
How do you know I havent read The new testament. Are you spying on me?
I dont necessarily deny the existence of the devil or his hotility to the great 'I am' (though I always incline to be sceptical to a degree about things, ultimately - if only in deference to the scientific paradigm of knoweldge that is used these day to talk about knowledge).
But to suppose that God does not love that which he created or that there can ultimately be a serious contest between the created and the uncreated - This alas is too difficult for me to grasp.
Have a good day
You have repeatedlty shown servility to these world ruleres who clearly embody the values of death in the form of rapacious geed, mass murder, torture, etc Jonathon. And simultaneously display an interest in spirituality. What can the nature of this spirituality be if compatible with these values.
You have elsewhere described the Nazis' extermination camps as well intended, and the real act of hatred is describing such acts as evil.
I dont accept your analysis, alas. But I understand on what you base it, my posts on elberry's blog, largely.
Words are imprecise implements at the best of time. Alot of the problem has to do with unintended implication that another perceives behind words, in their imagined shadow.
I didnt mean that the Nazi camps were well intended in the way you and I mean well intended. I meant that the Nazi's believed that getting rid of jews would be good for Europe, and ultimately humanity. Obviously I wouldnt have agreed with them.
I find it hard to respond more substantially since I dont always see the content in abuse that the leveller of it supposedly hoped it would convey.
Anyway, misunderstandings, for which I apologise, with respect to my role in them.
I wish, I think, to see new rulers on this planet as much as you Andrew, but I see them more as projections and reflactions of a generalised human malaise that at root and universally needs to be transfigured.
Individual consciousness is infinitely complex, subtle & simultaneously straight-forward. I certailny don't have a simplified idea of its nature. As for the Nazis, as you might know, they were very heavily immersed in the occult being described elsewhere; such as the Thule society- an equivalent of the Skull & Bones society of Bush. And surrender of oneself into these fields leads to a possession by the forces at the other end of the rituals. Thus the extraordinary phenomena of the extermination camps in civilized 20th century Europe. This is the nature of a downward transcendence such as addiction to gambling or other forms. You can forget about good intentions. One is lost in evil. I posted on the following in an earlier post as an aexample of this:
The research of Yale psychologist, Stanley Milgram, is well known when in 1960 he designed an experiment to test the limits of obedience. He recruited students from the university to take part in a pilot study, and in individual sessions they were told that they were participating in an experiment that would measure the effects of punishment on learning. Each participant was then directed to inflict a series of electric shocks on a "learner," increasing the intensity of the shocks with each wrong answer given. Although the learner appeared to be just another volunteer, he was actually a confederate of Milgram's and received no shock at all.
In short, about 60 percent of students administered what they thought were genuine shocks to the learners up to the point of fatal doses for the crime of giving wrong answers, even when hearing the death screams of those being tortured.
The rapacious greed, mass murder, torture I am talking about regarding world figures aren't simply the actions of clear-headed rational people. They are soaked in evil, & don't exist as autonomous beings anymore.
'They are soaked in evil, & don't exist as autonomous beings anymore.'
Oh, I totally agree with this. And yet would want to suggest that in their very loss of free will arises a new irresponsibility that means they should be treated as dumb animals and just restrained. They are no longer creatures who are 'freely choosing evil', and this, to me, undermines the sense in which it can be said that they are any longer making a choice for evil. This doesnt excuse them of their deeds of course, however!
They did earlier make certain choices that set them on a downward path, but at that time they may well have felt that what they were doing could be explained away as a form of 'virtue in their own eyes'.
Macbeth's disintegration seems an inspired study of this 'downward transcendence'.
Socrates believed that ignorance, not evil, is the heart of the problem, and The Buddha agrees. So do The Gnostics, and Krishnamurti too I suspect.
Even the Bbible speaks of people as unrighteous who 'do what is good in their own eyes'.
The problem is that what you might take to be good doesn't for that reason make it good.
The hope that lives in the Gospel, however, is that by the power of god these blinded, egomanic, endarkened and yes evil men (for evil is their effects)can be transformed (as in prison,for example, they sometimes are).
I do see evil more as an effect than an intention..except, ok, when one has become an automaton and had ones conscience seared.
It is interesting to me how quickly we come to point the finger at another while not examing our own understandings.
For example...
* Based on what direct Biblical information do we believe in a 7 year tribulation?
* Why do we worship on Sunday rather than Saturday?
* Will the 2nd coming truly be a "secret rapture"?
Evil is rampant within the world, of that there is no doubt. As to if it is displayed within a handsign or not is not the greater dilemma. Whether it is found within our own lives and how to rid ourselves of its existance is indeed what we should be about.
While of course we are the centre of our own lives and that is the utmost importance, an awareness of the reality of of the world we live in could and should be considered a duty of mankind also. You'll find for example, Jesus did not shirk in declaring evil to be evil, as opposed to turning a blind eye, and letting ordinary people wallow in the utterly mistaken belief that very powerful people devoted to evil were to be turned a blind eye to.
Only cowardice justifies wilful self-ignorance. And wilful self-ignorance serves this cowardice before the 'rulers of this world.'
You can watch "The Arrivals" series on Youtube.com. just make a search for it. It follows the opinion that the Ruling Elite of all major Powers (countries) belongs to the Secret Society and that they worship Satan...
Thanks for the tip.
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